List of Current Sports Sedans

"Jcarr" (jcarr) 07/21/2016 at 10:28 • Filed to: None

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Tell me if I’m missing anything at the M3 level. Planning the next BoBW.

M3/4

C63 AMG

ATS-V

RC-F/IS-F

S4

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Jag XE-S

Alfa Giulia Quad

Q50 Red Sport 400

Noah - Now with more boost. > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:34

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Q50? Ghibli?

mcseanerson > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:38

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No Alfa?

Jcarr > Noah - Now with more boost. 07/21/2016 at 10:39

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Does the Q50 have a performance variant?

Ash78, voting early and often > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:39

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Maxima. OK, I'll show myself out now.

Stevo777 > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:40

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?

* I know it’s not for sale yet* but that doesn’t mean the giulia shouldnt be included

Jcarr > Stevo777 07/21/2016 at 10:41

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Got it added now.

random001 > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:43

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Fusion Sport (RS)?

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:43

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The RC F is a coupe; two doors and insurance rear seats.

The GS F is the sedan. And also the much better of the two.

Party-vi > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:44

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Infiniti Q50 Red Sport 400. Not sure if the RS4 is still in production or if it’s on hiatus.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:44

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The Red 400 I think is what it’s called.

Vítor > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 07/21/2016 at 10:46

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GS-F is 550i M-Sport rival, Jcarr is talking about cars at the M3 level.

Vítor > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:49

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Q50S, with a 400 hp Turbo V6. More like a 340i than a M3 tho.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Vítor 07/21/2016 at 10:49

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But they specifically listed sedans , which the RC is not.

I suggested the GS F because it IS a sedan.

Party-vi > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:51

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Maserati Ghibli S Q4 is the performance variant. The base model Ghibli is like a 340i, as opposed to an M3.

Vítor > Party-vi 07/21/2016 at 10:52

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Not is production anymore since the new A4 launched. They are already developing the new one, but in wagon only like the last gen.

Party-vi > Vítor 07/21/2016 at 10:52

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The Infiniti has 80hp over the 340i. I would call it Infiniti’s M3 competitor. Not a good one, but definitely not a 340i competitor.

Jcarr > Party-vi 07/21/2016 at 10:52

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Car and Driver puts the Ghibli in the 5-series category. Not sure what to do with that one.

Party-vi > Vítor 07/21/2016 at 10:53

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Wondering if it would still count then since they made them last year and I’m guessing plan to keep making them.

Vítor > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 07/21/2016 at 10:54

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I agree with you, I’m well aware with the fact that the RC is a coupe. They also specifically listed sedans at M3 level, which the GS F is not. The old IS F was, but they don’t build it anymore

Party-vi > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:54

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Huh. Well shit.

Vítor > Party-vi 07/21/2016 at 10:56

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Still, it’s a wagon only :/ just like the RS6.

Party-vi > Vítor 07/21/2016 at 10:56

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Not at all it’s just a sedan with an oversized trunk >.>

Jcarr > Party-vi 07/21/2016 at 10:57

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Yeah, this is what’s so daunting about this series. Vehicles don’t always fit neatly into predetermined categories.

Textured Soy Protein > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:57

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RC-F is a coupe. You have “M3 & M4" on your list so IS-F & RC-F would be more accurate.

The question marks are:

S4 - more like a 340i M Sport competitor

Infiniti Q50 & Q60 Red Sport 400 - they have the 400 hp motor but are also set up more like the regular Q50S than a bunch of extra fancy chassis stuff

Noah - Now with more boost. > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 10:58

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Yep, red sport 400. a silly name lol

Jcarr > Textured Soy Protein 07/21/2016 at 11:00

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I’m going to blur things a little and not worry about 2 versus 4 doors. If it’s close in size to an M3, then it’s in. If it’s closer in size to an M5, it’s out.

404 - User No Longer Available > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 11:00

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S4 most certainly NOT M3 class. It’s not even 335is class. The direct competitor would be RS4 which sadly isn’t sold in North America.

Jcarr > 404 - User No Longer Available 07/21/2016 at 11:01

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I think I’ll still include it since it’s the closest thing Audi offers. Tough to make everything fit neatly into one category.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Vítor 07/21/2016 at 11:01

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So why make a point to point it out?

I am well aware the GS F is not necessarily an M3 competitor. I suggested it because it is the only performance sedan offering from Lexus.

Textured Soy Protein > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 11:01

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Ok, well if you have M3 & M4 you should have both IS-F and RC-F.

spanfucker retire bitch > Textured Soy Protein 07/21/2016 at 11:13

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But the IS-F isn’t current though, it’s an older model that hasn’t been replaced yet. There’s the GS-F, but that’s a whole size larger than the 3-series.

All Lexus has in that category is the RC-F at the moment. I wouldn’t really count the F-Sport IS.

WRXerFish - WRX-Wing pilot > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 11:13

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Ford Fusion Sport

fennelbreath > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 11:32

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Polestar?

Textured Soy Protein > spanfucker retire bitch 07/21/2016 at 11:39

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Ya know, I forgot the IS-F hadn’t been updated.

gawdzillla > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 11:46

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Chevy SS

mr2gud2u > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 11:49

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What qualifies a car as a “sports sedan?” What qualifies a car as a sedan for that matter?

Jcarr > mr2gud2u 07/21/2016 at 12:00

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If it’s fairly close to an M3, I’m going to consider it. It can’t be perfectly defined, especially when I’m doing these with my free time.

Where have all the lightweights gone? > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 12:04

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How about a Chevy SS? Not only does it have 400+hp, but you can get it with a freaking manual transmission!!!

Jcarr > Where have all the lightweights gone? 07/21/2016 at 12:11

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Closer in size to an M5 so I’m not going to include it here.

citizennick > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 12:48

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If you have the S4 in there you should have the IS350 F-Sport. It might have about 20 less hp but it weighs at least 300-400 lbs less than an S4.

404 - User No Longer Available > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 13:04

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Well I know a friend who was looking at an M3, looked at the S4 and immediately dismissed it.

He ended up getting neither and bought out his ML 63 lease instead. I wish him best of luck with that thing...

And if only Audi brought over the A/S/RS5 Sportback... I might look over its FWD chassis.

Rico > Jcarr 07/21/2016 at 13:23

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You have to define the categories better. Are you talking about COMPACT sports cars, because that’s what the M3, ATS V, C63 Etc are. The Ghibli falls into the midsize category as would the M5 etc.

Rico > 404 - User No Longer Available 07/21/2016 at 13:24

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It’s coming in 2017 to the US as a 2018 model.

Jcarr > Rico 07/21/2016 at 13:30

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That’s why I said “M3 level”.

404 - User No Longer Available > Rico 07/21/2016 at 13:45

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I just hope it’s not auto only like the sedan now.

Rico > 404 - User No Longer Available 07/21/2016 at 13:47

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I’ve got bad news

404 - User No Longer Available > Rico 07/21/2016 at 13:52

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Oh well. Audi remains on my blacklist then.